Last year in a Newsweek interview, Billy Graham was asked if Heaven will be closed to Jews, Muslims, Hindus, and others who do not believe in Christ. This was his Osteenesque reply:
“Those are decisions only the Lord will make…I believe the love of God is absolute. He said he gave his son for the whole world, and I think he loves everybody regardless of what label they have.”
Graham’s own words betray his theological disposition to the sort of universalism which is popular today among men such as Greg Boyd and Clark Pinnock.
Now I have spoken to many people about these statements. And those who love Billy Graham and who have loved his ministry remark that these statements do not change anything. “That still doesn’t make him a bad evangelist,” one friend told me. Another friend told me that we should overlook it due to Graham’s old age!
Well, last years statements may be attributed to Graham’s old age, but what about his interview with Robert Schuller from May 31, 1997, more than 10 years ago? Was he senile then?
Here is an excerpt:
Dr. Schuller: “Tell me, what is the future of Christianity?”
Dr. Graham: “Well, Christianity and being a true believer, you know, I think there’s the body of Christ which comes from all the Christian groups around the world, or outside the Christian groups. I think that everybody that loves Christ or knows Christ, whether they’re conscious of it or not, they’re members of the body of Christ. And I don’t think that we’re going to see a great sweeping revival that will turn the whole world to Christ at any time.”
“What God is doing today is calling people out of the world for His name. Whether they come from the Muslim world, or the Buddhist world, or the Christian world, or the non-believing world, they are members of the body of Christ because they’ve been called by God. They may not even know the name of Jesus, but they know in their hearts they need something that they don’t have and they turn to the only light they have and I think they’re saved and they’re going to be with us in heaven.”
Did you hear that? According to Billy Graham, God is calling people out of the world for himself and not necessarily bringing them to Christ. Jews, Muslims, Buddists, as well as other non-believers are “going to be with us in heaven” even though they do not “know the name of Jesus.” Should we still respect Dr. Graham?
Dr. Schuller: “What I hear you saying is that it’s possible for Jesus Christ to come into a human heart and soul and life even if they’ve been born in darkness and have never had exposure to the Bible. Is that a correct interpretation of what you’re saying?”
Dr. Graham: “Yes it is because I believe that. I’ve met people in various parts of the world in tribal situations that they have never seen a Bible or heard about a Bible, have never heard of Jesus but they’ve believed in their hearts that there is a God and they tried to live a life that was quite apart from the surrounding community in which they lived.”
Dr. Schuller: “This is fantastic. I’m so thrilled to hear you say that. There’s a wideness in God’s mercy.
Dr. Graham: There is. There definitely is.”
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Billy Graham has been known as one of the greatest evangelist’s of our day, though that point can be debated based on the evidence. His Evangelistic Association is all over the world with the message of the gospel. The statement of faith even declares:
*That all men everywhere are lost and face the judgment of God, and need to come to a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ through His shed blood on the cross.
The Billy Graham Evangelistic Association statement of faith, and even their response to an email sent by one concerned reader of the Schuller/Graham interview is completely irreconcilable with the statements of Dr. Graham, both then and now.
I can not help but be reminded of the recent Joel Osteen interview with Larry King. One expects this sort of thing from Osteen, but from Billy Graham. He’s an American icon. He’s the guy that an entire generation of Baptist preachers patterned their ministries after. What’s going on?
I do not think Billy Graham is senile. I think he is a heretic. He is as much a heretic as the late Mother Teresa, who was weak in her ideas regarding atonement. Does this make Billy Graham a bad evangelist? I say it makes him a bad person; a bad Christian. He, by in his own words has denied the fundamental truth of the gospel: that “there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved” (Acts 4:12 ESV). His statements deny the testimony of Jesus himself, namely, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me (John 14:6 (ESV).
It is no wonder that Schuller was thrilled with Graham’s statements. I’m sure other heretics are excited as well. I wonder what has caused Graham to cross the line? Whaever the reason, the words of Dr. Bob Jones III may be worth quoting:
Billy Graham “has done more harm to the cause of Christ than any other living man.”
I do not know if I would fully concur with Jones, but one has to think about the influence Graham has had on Christianity. His evangelistic methods have been questionable biblically, and has contributed to the rampant decisionism we see today in this country, a decisionism which gives people who have never repented a false hope and security regarding salvation, and then turns them out to live like the rest of the world.
The apostle Paul said,
But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed (Galatians 1:8 ESV).
Anytime one denies that Jesus is the only way to heaven, and that people can be a part of the body of Christ apart from the name of Christ has abandoned the true gospel and turned to another. Billy Graham’s ministry and preaching needs to be evaluated critically from a biblical perspective, and not from an emotional one. If, God forbid, John Piper were to say the same things in an interview with Larry King tomorrow I would have to say the same things about him (and I love John Piper).
July 25, 2007 at 11:41 pm
Frick…
Good post and it is hard.
Because if you watch Graham’s early years he preaches the Gospel so clearly and passionately…
Do I believe that God has used Graham…no doubt…do I agree with what I see of Graham…absolutely not…
Guess I would stand with Paul here:
15 Some, to be sure, are preaching Christ even from envy and strife, but some also from good will;
16 the latter do it out of love, knowing that I am appointed for the defense of the gospel;
17 the former proclaim Christ out of selfish ambition rather than from pure motives, thinking to cause me distress in my imprisonment.
18 What then? Only that in every way, whether in pretense or in truth, Christ is proclaimed; and in this I rejoice.
Yes, and I will rejoice,
Philippians 1:15-18
July 27, 2007 at 4:14 pm
Hmmm…
December 11, 2007 at 2:23 pm
Gal 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:9 As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:10 For am I now seeking the approval of man, or of God? Or am I trying to please man? If I were still trying to please man, I would not be a servant of Christ.
In His early years Graham was different. I come from a Reformed perspective so I have to believe His early years were some what Armenian but I really don’t care as long as he preaches that’s Scriptural. But I read the same article; I never heard the Schuller interview. I don’t think any of us want to jump on a lynch Billy band wagon that’s not the intention, that’s Gods job. But with that said staying in the bounds of Scripture, If (as above) the Apostle Paul puts him and the other Apostles under the standard of judgment by the Gospel preached can we do otherwise?
Thank you for the Blog It was what I was looking for, better actually. Someone sent me an email about some crusade and that the Franklin was going to be at there church. I had to respond and your site helped so thank you
Ray in Miami Florida
December 12, 2007 at 12:16 am
Does anyone know how to get copies of Billy Grahams early crusades? I saw one from the 60’s last summer that was so right on and wonderful.
I am so saddened at the news of this new universalistic gospel.
January 20, 2008 at 4:33 am
I don’t think that he was intending to go for the universalistic gospel… Sorry. Because i see his points clearly, which is the fact that many people out there, still don’t know Jesus yet and never even heard of His name. But does that means that they can never go to heaven because they don’t know that name?
Don’t you think it’s fair that people who don’t know Jesus “yet” have a chance to sit right beside Him?
To me, this view is the view of a mature Christian, who knows very well of God’s amazing grace, that extends to EVERYONE. Don’t be like the pharisee who judges everyone only by what is seen. because God looks at the heart, the deepest part of the heart. Who are we to ever say that a Hindu person, will not go to heaven because they don’t believe in Christ? What if that Hindu person never had the chance to know anything about Christ in the first place because no one ever bothered to share it with him?
sorry, if my post sound.. like a heretic.. hehe.. i just want to challenge you to think about it critically and more deeply, i think the best way to know whether billy is a heretic is to ask God to revel the answer to you yourself. Just remember, God looks at things that are deeper than what the eyes can see. Even if Billy meant to be a heretic by telling a different type of gospel, I think God is still in control of His children.
I think the wisest thing to do is to pray for him, than to call him a heretic. Pray to God that He may give Billy Graham more wisdom, and understanding in the Gospel, and pray that whatever it is that he say will not be a stumbling block to people. And pray for ourselves that we too may be given wisdom to understand and accepts what God is trying to teach us.
January 22, 2008 at 12:35 pm
C Caesarina,
I am going to try to be gentle here. You seem like the type of person who is easily offended at a prophetic statement of truth. I must say, however, that I am not the one who said that a person must know the name of Jesus in order to go to heaven. God did. The Bible says, “There is no other NAME . . . by which we must be saved” than the NAME of Jesus (Acts 4:12). The only people who will be saved from God’s wrath against sin and go to heaven are those who are “in Christ.” That is what the Bible says. And Billy Graham denies that. He even goes against what he says he believes (Graham claims to believe the Bible is true). That is not a distinguishing mark of someone who is grounded in the truth. In denying the exclusivity of the name of Jesus Graham denies the very gospel that he himself preaches in mass crusades. We should pray for Graham, and all such men like him. But that should not keep us from stating the truth for all to see. The facts are the facts. Jesus said that you can know what is in someone’s heart by the words that come out ot their mouth. Billy Graham, by his own words, reveals what is in his heart, i.e. that there is another way of salvation apart from Jesus. That is heresy. That is satanic. That is wrong!
People who have never heard the name of Jesus will not go to hell because they have never heard the name of Jesus. They will go to hell because they are liars, theives, adulterers, murderers, blasphemers, etc. God chooses, according to the good pleasure of his will, to save some through the gospel of Jesus Christ and by the power of his name. That is just the way it is. I wonder at those who question such a clear doctrine of scripture whether they even know the name of Jesus like they claim. Such a denial is not compatible with the sanctifying work of the Holy Spirit that comes through the name of Christ.
I pray that you, and Graham, and all alike will come to terms with the truth of Scripture, and bow the knee to Jesus Christ, to the glory of God the Father.
Soli Deo Gloria.
September 24, 2009 at 5:30 pm
So you’re stating that those who never hear the name of Christ, who fail to be preached at, through no fault of their own, by those already in the Christian circle of trust, who can’t afford the plane ticket to fly to a church in America and get a proper preachin’ to, who never get a divine vision explaining who they REALLY should be worshipping… those individuals are automatically doomed to a place of fire and torment?
I think you’re limiting God’s ability to reveal Himself through a person’s culture, using the spark of desire for supernatural reconciliation most of us carry in our hearts as a seed God can use to draw people through whatever source of supernatural understanding they know. And sometimes, that simply cannot and will not include Jesus as a title in their lifetimes.
I believe there are people on this planet, completely lacking a knowledge of the Gospels, who are more righteous, more connected, more Godly than our supposed Christian brethren will ever be. And they will be in Heaven, because God took their hearts and gave them a breathing belief in Him despite their circumstances preventing them from hearing the name of Jesus.
February 13, 2008 at 10:15 am
It’s not easy to go after an icon like Billy Graham, but when the cross and the empty tomb are no longer central to what one believes, teaches and preaches, believers cannot be silent. I’ve always been uncomfortable with the model of conversion used by Graham and many preachers like him. But when “evangelists” start to sound like Osteen and secular motivational speakers we have definitely left the camp of what can be called Christian.
Behind Graham’s words is a misinterpretation of John 10:16 where Jesus says, “I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd.” The pen Jesus is talking about is Israel, but Jesus’ sheep are also among the Gentiles. Jesus wants His disciples to know that He came not just to bless Israel, but also the whole world (Gen. 12:1-3). The evangelistic impulse of this passage ought not be used as an excuse for universalism. Earlier in the same passage Jesus is absolutely clear that He is the good shepherd and the gate for the sheep. Although there are many “pens” there is only one flock and He alone is their shepherd.
Let’s not go too far and explain away the mystery in this passage. God is God, and He will save whomever He chooses through the sacrifice of His Son. But if we as believers ever use this as an excuse to embrace a more “compassionate” façade of universalism then we deny the offense of the cross and can no longer claim to be part of His one flock.
Let’s lift high the cross of Christ, and let His Word be proclaimed without shame or compromise.
Grace & Peace
March 2, 2008 at 10:09 pm
Hey There
Well, I know that in his early years B. Graham DID proclaim the gospel – and without excuse.
While it it true that those who have NOT heard of Christ – will be judged according to what they DO know… And God has the ability to be their final judge.
This does not mean that there are Multiple paths to God. This is only a declaration of God’s mercy for those who have NOT heard the truth of God. (See Romans chptr.1)
The body of Christ – however is only the body – as it is brought under the head – that is Jesus. Not under ANy name – such as Buddha…. That is straight up heretical.
I would like to think that B.G.’s discription of the mercy of God in exptreme cases – (as decribed above) and the heretical-sounding statements he made – were merely a bad moment of teaching – and not well explained. However – the earlier quote seems to leave little doubt.
I must say that this a a warning to us all to procliame the WHOle gospel and word of God – adn to not take out of context any one verse or concept.
Wide is the mercy, and grace of God. And out of Grace – and the Love of God – He sent his son to die that we might be saved, redeemed and brough back into relationship with Him
Blessings
Allison
March 4, 2008 at 2:44 am
May the grace of God be on all people. The measure we use to judge will be used on us. This just shows how important it is for each person to know the Word and be persuaded by the Holy Spirit.
Be sure everyone of you out there is saved, that is the important part. Trust the Holy Spirit to lead you to salvation.
May 12, 2008 at 3:55 am
Hi,
I just happen to enter this blog and was quite astonished to learn what the title told the reader. Would you tell me the exact date of the interview. I would like to know more.
I’m from Hong Kong
May 17, 2008 at 8:40 pm
The links and dates are at the beginning of the post. This should get you started.
June 16, 2008 at 2:32 pm
MacArthur talks about Billy Grahams universal view. Found it on YouTube.com Apparently, Billy Graham’s views aren’t something new to him. He’s believed that for years.
Check out John MacArthur talking about it. I think it was labeled Billy Graham exposed.
December 28, 2008 at 4:57 pm
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March 10, 2009 at 10:02 pm
wowww…I can’t believe what I’m reading. the Billy Graham I know was a very devoted Christian who spread the Gospel everywhere he go…Maybe this is just a form of rhetoric to persuade many people to Christ. if it is, it’s a very very weird way..because God’s law is absolute and can’t be presented like that. Whether you believe in Christ 100% or not at all. there’s no grey area in Christianity. Unless if it’s a heresy. I can say no more because im soo thrilled!
April 2, 2009 at 8:08 pm
B.G. didn’t say that there were many paths to God did he? He said that people of other faith may be saved through Christ even though they haven’t ever heard of the name of Christ ( much less the Christ of the Bible). The question then becomes: is it possible for a person who has never heard of the gospel message to be saved? Are we saved because we are right or by grace? How much of the gospel does one have to know before being saved? Just the minimum? What about the person that knows he is guilty of sin and needs redemption, but doesn’t know about the cross. It was sad that B.G. didn’t preach the bible to the lost at CNN instead of speculating what might be in the mind of God for people who have never heard of the name of Jesus.
May 14, 2009 at 6:29 am
I saw John Piper preach a few weeks ago in Boston and he quoted CS Lewis and refered to him as a Christian.
Some would call Lewis a heretic because in his book Mere Christianity he wrote some of the very same sentiments expressed by Graham.
Now Piper was not speaking about this specific topic but seemed to hold up Lewis as an example of thoughtful Christian.
These are difficult questions. I try and focus on the fact that I have heard the gospel and am saved by God’s grace and therefore it is my duty out of obedience to God’s word and my love for others to share the good news with as many as possible. I fully trust God to sort out all the gray areas with justice and love.
August 12, 2009 at 4:54 pm
I’m just flabbergasted. I really am. I am deeply disappointed in Rev. Graham. But the Bible says that in the last days, many will depart from the faith. I think this is a prime example of how we must not
place anyone in such a position that they are above the true object of our faith, and that is Christ.
August 26, 2009 at 10:15 pm
The Holy Spirit teaches too. You don’t think God can minister to people by his Holy Spirit?
Jesus said the Holy Spirit will teach us all things.
Just because a person hasn’t heard the gospel by phone, tv, bible, doesn’t mean they haven’t heard it from God himself. God can reveal himself any way he chooses. And Jesus is God.
With God, all things are possible.
Jesus is Lord!
September 2, 2009 at 6:23 pm
Yes. Jesus is Lord, and the Holy Spirit teaches. But he will never teach anything other than Jesus is Lord. The Holy Spirit testifies to this one thing, i.e. Jesus is Lord, and he is the only way of salvation (John 14.6). The Holy Spirit will never teach someone that it is okay to hold Mohammed as a prophet of God, or worship God the Father apart from the name of Jesus (like Jews do). The Holy Spirit testifies to the truth, lordship, authority, and exclusivity of Christ. Anything apart from the name of Jesus is false (Acts 4.12).
October 2, 2009 at 11:55 am
The holy passion of friendship is so sweet and steady and loyal and enduring in nature that it will last through a whole lifetime, if not asked to lend money.
November 8, 2009 at 6:13 pm
“Words—I used to believe in words”
Francis of Asisi